tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post1533885051791921686..comments2023-10-30T08:00:43.585-05:00Comments on Shameless Popery: Jesus Christ, the New TempleJoe Heschmeyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06998682878420098470noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-76581360336749515302014-06-30T05:42:29.845-05:002014-06-30T05:42:29.845-05:00If you look at how the gates are formed the gates ...If you look at how the gates are formed the gates form a cross. They are so detailed so that when you draw the picture you will see it is a cross. If you don't draw the picture of it you probably won't see that it represents a cross. Everything in the Bible is about Jesus Crucifixion. It is the most important event in all history. The worshipers were required to Exit the opposite Gate they entered this formed a picture of Jacobs Ladder. Only through the Cross of Jesus can you enter Heaven (North) . Only the prince Could enter through the East Gate because Jesus is only one who could pay the penalty for our sins. The Blood of the Sacrifice was sprinkled against the Altar and on Passover that blood would have Flowed from the altar. The altar represent's Jesus' heart. The flow of water from the temple and the blood from the altar would have flowed out of the temple just like the water and blood from Jesus side. The whole thing is a picture. I'm not saying a Millenial Temple will not be built but I do believe that Jesus is the temple. I mean I could say he is a temple but that wouldn't seem right since he referred to his body as a temple.helium73bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073625485806688768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-2078925549902209252014-06-30T05:21:24.471-05:002014-06-30T05:21:24.471-05:00I agree that Jesus is the Temple that Ezekiel Prop...I agree that Jesus is the Temple that Ezekiel Prophesied of. If you look at images of the temple you will see that the gates form a cross and that the water flows from this temple cross the same way it would have flowed from Jesus on the Cross. There were sacrifices in this temple so there would have flowed both water and blood on the passover. What's more The Cross beam in the Temple are the gates that go from South to North. If you enter from the south you must exit through the north and if you enter through the north you must exit through the south. This would then depict the cross as a type of Jacob's Ladder. The north would then represent Heaven and the south would represent Earth. The temple visitors would then depict the angels who ascend and descend on Jacob's ladder. It forms the only way to heaven. Only the prince can enter through the east gate and lay down his life. He is the only one because there is only one way to heaven. Also Jacob named the place where he saw the ladder Bethel which means House of God. The reason there is so much detail is so that one day someone could actually draw a picture of the temple and then looking at the plans they would see that it forms a Cross. It's a hidden prophesy which shows that God knew about the Cross long beforehand. The altar forms Jesus heart. Which radiates light through the gates which form a cross made out of light. helium73bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073625485806688768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-37882747167716756962012-03-09T15:43:01.617-06:002012-03-09T15:43:01.617-06:00LOVE this - thank you so much! This was extremely...LOVE this - thank you so much! This was extremely helpful to me. :)Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969817415912619563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-24858437097029389092012-01-21T20:21:24.188-06:002012-01-21T20:21:24.188-06:00@Cary: Spoken like a true pre-VaticanII Catholic. ...@Cary: Spoken like a true pre-VaticanII Catholic. (I say so because your 'may God have mercy on you' (I capitalized the G even though you didn't) was judgemental on my salvation.) Look, in my 12/8/2011 12:59am statement to you I explained; and then I had to keep on explaining in numerous later statements to you; and not just in this post; it is quite annoying.<br /><br />[Lord Yeshua, as you stated: "Whose sins you remit, they are remitted unto them". As Stephen did in Acts 7, do also unto Cary, remembering not his statement to me at 5:48pm on 1/21/2012 and all his other statements calling me prideful. Ditto for any other Catholic whose called me prideful or condemned me in any way. - Glory to you Lord! And glory to your God and my God; to your God and all believer's God!]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-76027335805630342802012-01-21T16:48:14.747-06:002012-01-21T16:48:14.747-06:00Michael,
That's because you haven't answe...Michael,<br /><br />That's because you haven't answered it except with some answer that you are searching harder and evidently better for the truth than the rest of us...may god have mercy on you because all your answer indicates is your overly prideful nature... I'll depend on the church he built you keep on depending on yourselfscredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-89007844792537010972012-01-21T15:09:52.862-06:002012-01-21T15:09:52.862-06:00@Cary: All other posts included, that might be the...@Cary: All other posts included, that might be the millionth time you've asked why I'm right. No offense, but I'm sick of answering it. - You obviously haven't fully grasped what it is to be born anew, and what the Spirit does for you when you are born-again. - take careAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-50373417892970764882012-01-20T18:35:57.068-06:002012-01-20T18:35:57.068-06:00You missed the point, why are you right?
Right.ab...You missed the point, why are you right?<br /><br />Right.about Luther, right about the Eucharist (ps you have some fundmental misunderstandings here), or right about vines...<br /><br />Caryscredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-9393388744840589282012-01-20T17:25:41.183-06:002012-01-20T17:25:41.183-06:00@Cary:
1) "Christ said 'This is my body.....@Cary:<br />1) "Christ said 'This is my body...'"<br />If I took that simply, I'd know it was to be a symbolic meal since He Himself was there when it was instituted. Since He was there, why didn't he rip off part of His bicep or something? See, how could He literally claim something as His body when His body was among themselves when the Lord's Supper was instituted? Also, He called Himself a vine and a door. With that reasoning, why don't you just have priests change vines and doors into Christ? Plus, His bones would be broken every time your teeth crush the host if it's His literal body even though "Not one of His bones shall be broken".<br />2) "don't forget also that Luther..."<br />Who cares about Luther. What does he have to do with me. He was an Anti-Semitic, replacement theologist even though it is written: "I will curse those who curse you". And again: "...those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars". (Read also: Jeremiah 31:35-37.) [How many times has the RCC fallen under condemnation for the before cited Scriptures: forced conversion of Jews to Catholicism, murder of Jews for no logical reason, Crusades, expulsions, Hitler using 'church father' writings as confirmation for his beliefs, and many others?]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-23941557118930655682012-01-19T19:11:38.381-06:002012-01-19T19:11:38.381-06:00Michael,
So you are content to basically say, wel...Michael,<br /><br />So you are content to basically say, well I'm just searching harder than you Cary, that is why I am right?<br /><br />If so I see no need to ever have another conversation with you, not only is that ignorant, it is the definition of prideful. As for looking at scripture in the simplest of ways...I'll just send home the most important difference I think we have, that Taylor pointed out. Christ said "This is my body.." if we take that simply we are Catholic, no doubt about it. But you deny that simplistic reading...why? what is the basis for some Scripture being so simple and others not so? are you the judge of what in Scripture is literal and non literal, basic and complicated, obvious and obfuscated?<br /><br />dont forget also that Luther was ready to throw out the books of James because it didn't suit his view and that Protestants have done just that with the deuterocanon. Ever read maccabees?<br /><br />Caryscredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-42074448273733318302012-01-19T16:44:08.087-06:002012-01-19T16:44:08.087-06:00Michael: So someone who believes they are justifie...Michael: So someone who believes they are justified by faith alone (in opposition to Catholic dotrine or Orthodoxy), believes the Lord's supper is not transsubstantiation (again in opposition to the Catholic doctrine), rejects the Pope (obviously not Catholic), and subscribes to the 1580 Book of Concord (full of thigns in opposition to Catholic doctrine)...so, people in this category that pray the Rosary are...Catholic? No! Absurd! They are <b>Lutherans</b>.<br /><br />Stephen was a martyr at that time already; martyrs go directly to Heaven, and no Masses need to be said for them. Isaiah was taken into Heaven after Jesus broke open the limbo of the Fathers and took all the just, righteous people to Heaven. <br /><br />You don't see the words of absolution because these are epistles; you can't absolve people in epistles. Furthermore in Acts when they are converting, they are baptizing=no need for confession at the time. <br /><br />On the flip side, have your brethren every come to you and you absolved them? How come, it's in the Bible, isn't it?<br /><br />Jesus also simply states in the Bible that "this is My body." So why aren't you looking at the Word in the simplest way?<br /><br />And so on.Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288875157147852833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-68338571685431474522012-01-19T16:36:17.409-06:002012-01-19T16:36:17.409-06:00@Joe: I don't understand your confusion. Someb...@Joe: I don't understand your confusion. Somebody who says the Rosary is Catholic/Orthodox, not Lutheran or whatever else they claim to be. It's rather quite simple.<br />@Cary: Why do we come to two conclusions? The power of Satan's deceit is very strong. Sometimes, Cary, you got to look at the Word in the simplest of ways: Paul says that anyone who preaches a different gospel than what has been preached would be eternally condemned (Galatians 1:8). 'Preached' is past tense. Is there anything in the word prior to the penning of 'preached' that says to pray to anyone other than the Father in Jesus' name or to Jesus Himself? No. OK, we know Stephen was dead by the time Paul believed, right? Why didn't Peter, Paul, or anyone else say we should offer prayers to Stephen or even Isaiah, Ezekial, or some other godly patriarch that was no longer on earth? Because they knew it would be contacting the dead. They knew the only unseen we should contact is the only omnipresent and omnieverythingelse there is: God. Also, why isn't Peter, Paul, or anyone else recorded as saying, "I forgive you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"? Because they knew only God can forgive sins. Also, why did they happen to leave out that you need a relationship with Mary to have one with the Trinity? Because they knew you didn't need to have a relationship with Mary. Cary, yet you say that we both seek the truth. Well, obviously you aren't seeking hard enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-29634358797395153042012-01-18T21:07:03.811-06:002012-01-18T21:07:03.811-06:00I'll skip everything else for now because I th...I'll skip everything else for now because I think number 4) is key. I believe and you believe. I believe God gave us a formal church and instituted the Eucharist which is really him, you believe otherwise. How do we resolve who is correct? Are you right just because you think yourself so? <br /><br />If you are right and we are both faithfully searching for truth then you must have some sort of divine gift that I don't. How else do explain two seekers of truth that arrive at different conclusions by reading the same text?scredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-33727669273846664722012-01-18T17:10:31.083-06:002012-01-18T17:10:31.083-06:00Michael,
So you take the position that anyone who...Michael,<br /><br />So you take the position that anyone who recites the Rosary is Catholic/Orthodox, and then argues that the Rosary is wrong because those who aren't Catholic/Orthodox don't believe in it.<br /><br />That argument sounds completely tautological. Am I missing something?<br /><br />I.X.,<br /><br />JoeJoe Heschmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06998682878420098470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-25812067078168690522012-01-18T17:06:24.842-06:002012-01-18T17:06:24.842-06:00@Cary:
1) Anything contrary to the Word is blasphe...@Cary:<br />1) Anything contrary to the Word is blasphemy.<br />2) It's not what I require. It's what our merciful God requires. Concerning faith without works: read my comment to Brent Stubbs on his article mocking the Sinner's Prayer. (Almost Not Catholic: "The Problem With 'Easy Believism'")<br />3) Yes, but if you don't repent, you don't believe.<br />4) I don't know how to answer that. You seem quite confused in your #4. But I will say: Trust in God, not man. God, and God alone, will show you all truth, convicting you of sin. Believe, Cary.<br />5) Those non-Catholics and non-Orthodox that recite the rosary ARE Catholic or Orthodox. How could you view it any other way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-47133999693958888672012-01-18T09:56:52.779-06:002012-01-18T09:56:52.779-06:00@micheal,
how do you judge what is blasphemy?
2)...@micheal,<br /><br />how do you judge what is blasphemy?<br /><br />2) at what point are people capable of "believing" as you require? How does that work with faith alone?<br /><br />3) Does an individual have to DO something (namely confess belief) to be saved if they are "capable" of believing?<br /><br />4) again, how do you know that you are right? upon what authority? as i see if you have two choices, 1) you don't know you are right you just think you are and readily admit that you could be wrong 2) all others are wrong and misled even by there honest attempts to understand, in this case for you to be right you must have some divine gift or revelation that allows you to see clearer than the rest of us. This also flows from a most recent comment when you claimed: "In short, it's the Spirit's showing us all truth" but we have different opinions so is the Spirit showing us different things intentionally? Conversely, are you receiving some special divine revelation yourself that allows you to know the 'right' answers?<br /><br />5) lastly, your comment on the other thread encompassing 'all Protestants' is properly incorrect, one because many 'protestants' dont know what the rosary is, and two because at the very least there are (that I know) many Anglicans and Lutherans who would or do pray the rosary. Also, you have asked Joe to refrain from such protestant generalizations before, but now you are using them yourself to defend your viewpoint, which is certainly not one that they "ALL" hold.<br /><br />In Christ<br />Caryscredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-90488348565013463422012-01-16T22:53:30.636-06:002012-01-16T22:53:30.636-06:00@Cary:
1) Acts 16:31
You have to believe to be sa...@Cary: <br />1) Acts 16:31<br />You have to believe to be saved. How can an infant believe when they don't know what believing is?<br />2) Matthew 19:14<br />The Kingdom belongs to children.<br />3) In numerous previous comments I described my views which are not just mine (especially in my comment to you in this post 12/8/2011 12:59am). They're shared by those that believe in: conditional election, a love for the Jew, a belief in the gifts of the Spirit, a God that wouldn't even THINK of condemning one without reason to hell (children, mentally retarded), believer's baptism by only immersion, Lord's Supper with both body and blood.<br />4) I have tried to be 'charitable', but blasphemy offends me.<br /><br />take it easyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-77758912388540139282012-01-15T20:28:24.197-06:002012-01-15T20:28:24.197-06:00Michael,
So taking the acts passage, need no one ...Michael,<br /><br />So taking the acts passage, need no one be baptized? How does this specifically apply to infant baptism?<br /><br />Ditto with matthew 19...<br /><br />More fundamentally how do you know that YOUR explanations are the right ones?<br /><br />I have appreciated your charity recently<br /><br />In Christ<br />Caryscredsoxfan2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10162308671130564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-19357265496724314582012-01-15T19:59:00.433-06:002012-01-15T19:59:00.433-06:00Concerning infant baptism, in my comment to Cary (...Concerning infant baptism, in my comment to Cary (December 8, 2011 12:59am) I incorrectly cited:<br />1) Acts 16:11 instead of Acts 16:31<br />2) Matthew 14:19 instead of Matthew 19:14<br />Dumb mistake that I noticed (over a month later). My bad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-18859320428356833942012-01-06T01:14:27.246-06:002012-01-06T01:14:27.246-06:00The Tabernacle of David will be raised up by the G...The Tabernacle of David will be raised up by the Gentile nations. The Gentile nations are those Peter proclaimed:<br />"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." I Peter 2:9-10Tesla Weaponhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820570620833045999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-69039235016398633502011-12-12T18:58:53.120-06:002011-12-12T18:58:53.120-06:00Michael~ Perhaps you can state it a way that'...Michael~ Perhaps you can state it a way that's a bit clearer. Sometimes I have trouble understanding you. A lot of your typing is in phrases or run on sentences making it difficult for me to understand one idea from the next. (That and it's probably pregnancy brain on my part.)<br /><br />I'll ask the question again. How do you what is inspired scripture and what isn't? Please do not repeat the part about Jesus and apostles never quoting anything outside of the 66 books. I think I've already pointed out that that's not true.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-83426247461333773722011-12-11T18:59:54.631-06:002011-12-11T18:59:54.631-06:00Blessed are those who "hear the Word" so...Blessed are those who "hear the Word" sounds a lot like Tradition to me.Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288875157147852833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-30856903454795146712011-12-11T17:32:18.179-06:002011-12-11T17:32:18.179-06:00@Joe:
1) "On your 4),... declares Mary and J...@Joe: <br />1) "On your 4),... declares Mary and Jesus "Blessed".)"<br />You have made a mistake, because I used Luke 11:27-28, not Luke 8:19. Anyways, I didn't put Christ vs. Mary. Look, the woman could've said something like, "The Messiah is here! Blessed are you Lord! Hey, was your mother someone special to be able to be the one who carries the Savior of Israel?", and the Lord couldn't have stated it the way He did. Instead the woman praises His earthly mother when He is right there (as I've stated), as Mary-worshipers do. So the passage doesn't make it clear faith is over blood-relation as far as Christ; common sense does. That's why it had nothing to do with faith over blood-relation. And that said, I know the passage isn't contrary to blessed Mary's visitation to Elizabeth; reason says so. [On a side note: Luke 1:42 does say Jesus and Mary are blessed; but not in the way that Catholics think, though. "Blessed are you among women" does point to her being blessed because she was to give birth to our Lord. But "blessed is the fruit of your womb" has to do with the promised blessings through obedience in the Torah (Lev. 26:9) that Paul mentions, although a bit differently, in 1Tim. 2:15. See, Elizabeth thought she was under a curse (Luke 1:25), and she was rejoicing WITH Mary as far as womb-blessings are concerned. Otherwise wouldn't the Catholic view be like saying, "Blessed are you for being chosen to carry our Lord, and blessed are you for being chosen to carry our Lord"?]<br />2) "Another way..."<br />If you think Luke 11:28 doesn't apply to "Scripture alone", then wow!... No, WOW!<br />@Deltaflute: All due respect, I'm sorry you are confused, because I've given all those answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-54224048153414904302011-12-10T22:00:16.372-06:002011-12-10T22:00:16.372-06:00Michael,
I'm sorry. I must have confused you ...Michael,<br />I'm sorry. I must have confused you so I'll try and say it another way.<br /><br />You've said that there's nothing in the New Testament of the Protestant Bible that mentions things outside the entire Bible. Yet, here in John 10:22 there is a mentioning of Jesus taking part in a holy day not mentioned in the Protestant Canon.<br /><br />So am I confused about what you were saying about Jesus or the apostles not mentioning things that aren't inspired Scripture?<br /><br />I never said you had to believe that Maccabees is inspired scripture. I was only trying to clarify your statement in the context of how do you know what is inspired scripture and what isn't.<br /><br />Clearly the argument that Jesus or the apostles don't talk about (or rather there is no mention) things outside the inspired 66 books doesn't hold water if I can quote a portion of the New Testament from an apostle or disciple that mentions something from the 73 books of inspiration.<br /><br />So again, I'll ask the question that I asked before. How do you know what is inspired scripture and what isn't? Thank you.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-35598393160288548002011-12-10T20:02:46.044-06:002011-12-10T20:02:46.044-06:00Michael,
On your 4), you asked how it was possibl...<b>Michael</b>,<br /><br />On your 4), you asked how it was possible to take Luke 8:19 out of context.<br /><br />I'd say that one way someone could take that passage out of context would be making it about Christ v. Mary, as you appear to have done here. As Christ's response makes clear, this is about the primacy of faith over blood relation. I've addressed that precise argument at length <a href="http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/09/did-jesus-rebuke-his-mother-in-luke-819.html" rel="nofollow"><b>here</b></a>, but the short answer is that any reading that makes it so Christ says Mary wasn't blessed is a reading contrary to Scripture (Luke 1:42, in which Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, declares Mary and Jesus “Blessed”).<br /><br />Another way to take the passage out of context is to make the claim that it proves <i>sola Scriptura</i>.<br /><br />I'm on the way out the door now, but I'll try to respond to your points to me later.<br /><br />I.X.,<br /><br />JoeJoe Heschmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06998682878420098470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-38109709104250410192011-12-10T19:42:47.137-06:002011-12-10T19:42:47.137-06:00@Cary:
1-3) Did you NOT read my comment to you giv...@Cary:<br />1-3) Did you NOT read my comment to you given at 12:59am 12-8-2011, among others?<br />4) I'd say it was said, bluntly, when a woman giving credit to Mary when Christ was right there (something you people of the RCC do to a T), was told, "Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it!"<br />PS) How is it possible to take that quote out of context?<br />@Deltaflute: All John 10:22 says is that the feast was being celebrated. So, that said, just because Maccabees mentions the Dedication, I'm suppose to believe it's inspired Scripture? I've accused you Catholics of grabbing doctrine out of thin air, but that takes the cake!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com