tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post684213635699647270..comments2023-10-30T08:00:43.585-05:00Comments on Shameless Popery: "Once Saved, Always Saved" and Three Cups of Tea: Cup 1Joe Heschmeyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06998682878420098470noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-37805782126879554162013-07-12T17:43:55.781-05:002013-07-12T17:43:55.781-05:00All I asked was who else in history chopped up the...All I asked was who else in history chopped up the Bible in the same way as yourself... A couple of names will do. If your hermeneutic is as obvious as you say it is that shouldn't be hard, should it?Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-32489032496108745982013-07-12T16:47:17.899-05:002013-07-12T16:47:17.899-05:00Typo: You ARE saved instantaneously by the new bir...Typo: You ARE saved instantaneously by the new birth. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-63723930157300861042013-07-12T16:44:59.976-05:002013-07-12T16:44:59.976-05:00Pilgrim,
You write, What exactly did change then...Pilgrim, <br /><br />You write, <i>What exactly did change then? It's not talking about literal mud. What happened when these people escaped the entanglement of the world? What happens to someone when they "know the way of righteousness"?</i><br /><br />Nobody is saved by knowing facts, you are saved by believing, "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:10 KJV. <br /><br />Nor are you saved instantly by a supernatural new birth that makes an entirely new creation: " Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV. <br /><br />But if you clean up your life by reforms, without ever getting the new birth, then you are in danger of arriving at a worse state than the one you started in:<br /><br />"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first." Luke 11:24-26 KJV. <br /><br />The man never got saved, he just lost a few of his demons and cleaned up his life. If a person doesn't experience the new birth inside by faith in the gospel, their profession of religion and holy works are all worthless. Knowing the way of righteousness (man's righteousness) is not the same as knowing the person who imparts to you his imputed righteous by the new birth (giving you God's righteousness - 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV).<br /><br />- Mack.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-63312483208363420432013-07-12T16:28:56.038-05:002013-07-12T16:28:56.038-05:00Pilgrim,
What possible excuse do you have for be...Pilgrim, <br /><br />What possible excuse do you have for being utterly confused when Paul in Acts 13:34 says that the "sure mercies of David" apply to Jesus Christ? <br /><br />Why would anybody have to research "sure mercies of David" in for 2 minuets what it says in 'Christian history' - and what do you mean what? the bloody crusades? Constantine's worship of Sol Invictus? the inquisition? Bloody Mary? the Borga family and pope Joan? what is "Christian history" that judges the Bible? is it Ustashi war-criminal Cardinal Stepinac? or Padre "acid-hands" Pio? Rather dubious and flaky thing, this 'christian history', to hold as an authority over the Bible, don't you think? <br /> <br />Whenever you have rival authorities (i.e., Bible + anything else), you have to have a judge to decide between the two. That's why the Roman priesthood never lets the Bible be supreme - they always put a 2nd authority so they can enthrone themselves as the final say-so, making themselves the gods over the Bible. <br /><br />- Mack. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-5581702963690599782013-07-12T12:23:27.348-05:002013-07-12T12:23:27.348-05:00Har-har-har. It speaks of venial sins, I just gav...Har-har-har. It speaks of venial sins, I just gave them their name -- namely the sins that, if you see committed, you should pray for the sinner.<br /><br />Nor does it say that they are not forgivable,but that you need not pray for the sinner. Jesus said that only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable -- except, of course, you do not think what Jesus said matters because He's not Paul. Do you think that you can blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and still be saved?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-9348390786555795002013-07-11T15:48:30.990-05:002013-07-11T15:48:30.990-05:00>You asked whether the person left the mud and ...<em>>You asked whether the person left the mud and returned to the mud - and I agree he did both. But he never got saved on the inside.</em><br /><br />What exactly did change then? It's not talking about literal mud. What happened when these people escaped the entanglement of the world? What happens to someone when they "know the way of righteousness"?<br /><br /><br /><em>>They are mentioned in Isaiah 55:3 KJV and Acts 13:34 KJV as applying to Christ. </em><br /><br />I have to admit I'm utterly confused as to how you use the Bible and what you regard as applying to life in the New Covenant. I've asked it before but I never really got an answer: can you point to anyone in Christian history who approached the books of the Bible in the same way as yourself?Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-60388548951193247312013-07-11T13:35:01.369-05:002013-07-11T13:35:01.369-05:00Pilgrim & Marycateli,
You asked whether the ...Pilgrim & Marycateli, <br /><br />You asked whether the person left the mud and returned to the mud - and I agree he did both. But he never got saved on the inside.<br /><br />If a man wallows in the mud he lost his mind, but he is still a man. But the sow returns to the mud because it is her nature. If a man eats vomit he has lost his mind, but he is still a man. But the dog eats vomit because it is his nature. <br /><br />Do you know what the <i><b>"sure mercies of David"</b></i> are? <br /><br />They are mentioned in Isaiah 55:3 KJV and Acts 13:34 KJV as applying to Christ. <br /><br />It alludes to the promises given David in 2 Samuel 7:14-16 KJV, <i>"I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, <b>I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him,</b> as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."</i> It applies to David's seed, who is Christ per 1 Chronicles 17:11-13 KJV, <i>"I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:"</i><br /><br />The son of David who was raised up was Christ, and the "sure mercies of David" apply to us who are born in Christ such that we may be chastised by men, but God's certain "sure" mercy will never be taken away from us because our souls are permanently saved. <br /><br />Thus God answered Psalm 51:11 KJV for us affirmatively, the Christian has God's <i>"sure mercies"</i> and the Holy Spirit is never taken away from him. <br /><br />- Mack. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-62181749548269780532013-07-11T13:08:01.422-05:002013-07-11T13:08:01.422-05:00marycatelli,
The verse says nothing about "...marycatelli, <br /><br />The verse says nothing about "venial" sins and you gave no example. <br /><br />The Bible says all sin results in death - Romans 6:23 KJV; and James says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 KJV.<br /><br />And you don't understand your own religion because so-called "mortal" sins - like skipping Mass on Sunday (!!!) - are forgiveable through Rome's religious rituals of eating a wafer, confessing to a priest, and doing penance. <br /><br />So you can't explain the verse. <br /><br />- Mack. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-33305832524048134002013-07-10T19:14:05.178-05:002013-07-10T19:14:05.178-05:00>You ask, "Does it seem intuitive to you t...<em>>You ask, "Does it seem intuitive to you that someone whom God has smited to immediately go to Heaven?" and I'd say of course. Who ever dies without being smitten in the flesh? </em><br /><br />I think there's a little bit of a difference between "your time being up" and doing a sin so terrible that it incurs the wrath of God so that he kills you on the spot.<br /><br /><br /><em>>You assert that returning to sinful life necessarily means the person had left the sinful life, but I never contested that.</em><br /><br />I would suggest that you have by your interpretation of 2 PETER 2:20-22. The passage says that these people had been freed from the world and known the way of righteousness...only to return to their previous state.Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-39215126682108569352013-07-10T19:05:57.013-05:002013-07-10T19:05:57.013-05:00The trouble is the text doesn't talk about kin...The trouble is the text doesn't talk about kingdom "extras" (ironically, that's a word you added). It talks about inheriting the Kingdom.Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-7983616467992265112013-07-10T10:22:58.864-05:002013-07-10T10:22:58.864-05:00". We are not presently under that scheme, we...". We are not presently under that scheme, we must believe the gospel Paul preached"<br /><br />You keep regurgitating this as a way to avoid the gospel that Paul preached, namely all Scripture is for the Christian, not the selected bits you like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-74648936958373601362013-07-10T10:21:22.040-05:002013-07-10T10:21:22.040-05:00Sins what lead to spiritual life? What are you ta...Sins what lead to spiritual life? What are you talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-22215264358766917862013-07-10T10:19:53.530-05:002013-07-10T10:19:53.530-05:00Except, of course, in your eyes, all sins are veni...Except, of course, in your eyes, all sins are venial and do not lead to spiritual death because you hold to OSAS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-54855821624808514922013-07-10T10:19:04.512-05:002013-07-10T10:19:04.512-05:00Why, venial ones, of course.Why, venial ones, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-71024782066009635792013-07-10T10:16:40.749-05:002013-07-10T10:16:40.749-05:00yes, you have contested that. If you remain dead,...yes, you have contested that. If you remain dead, you were never alive, and therefore never left the sinful life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-88000088065398400182013-07-04T05:44:31.532-05:002013-07-04T05:44:31.532-05:00Pilgrim,
Colossians 3:24 KJV says, "Knowing...Pilgrim, <br /><br />Colossians 3:24 KJV says, <i>"Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the <b>reward of the inheritance</b>: for ye serve the Lord Christ."</i> This shows what inheriting means, it is the goods, rights, privileges that can be ours because we are in Christ - yet these kingdom "extras" are distributed on a reward basis to those who greatly work and live for Christ in this life: <i>"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; <b>if</b> so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."</i> Romans 8:17. <br /><br />Hence the expression, "no cross, no crown" - i.e., the heavenly rewards go to those who daily pick up their cross in life to follow Christ. But that's not a recipe for salvation. It is how a man who is already saved by Christ's free grace thereafter earns heavenly rewards. <br /><br />- Mack. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-10899538858453836902013-07-04T05:29:17.437-05:002013-07-04T05:29:17.437-05:00Pilgrim,
You ask, "Does it seem intuitive t...Pilgrim, <br /><br />You ask, "Does it seem intuitive to you that someone whom God has smited to immediately go to Heaven?" and I'd say of course. Who ever dies without being smitten in the flesh? <br /><br />You ask, "Are you asserting that sinning with my body has no internal consequence to my soul?" but you should ask, "If my soul is saved, and I die in sin thereafter, will my soul go to hell?" -- that is the issue with OSAS. The answer is no, your soul is saved. As for "internal consequence" there are all sorts of consequences, both now and in eternity. You can basically lose everything BUT your soul (joy, reputation, family, health, sanity, lost rewards in heaven - and suffer pain, chastisement, humiliation, nakedness, and rebuke). <br /><br />You assert that returning to sinful life necessarily means the person had left the sinful life, but I never contested that. Many people leave sinful lives by undertaking various reforms. A lost man goes to hell no matter how much he reforms his life, even if he embraces religion as the system to do it. He remains dead. It boils down to one sin that damns a man, the sin of omission: "Of sin, because they believe not on me;" John 16:9 KJV. So eliminating a thousand sins from your life, but not undertaking to believe on Christ for salvation, means you still go to hell. <br /><br />- Mack. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-90524295189059556802013-07-04T05:14:09.669-05:002013-07-04T05:14:09.669-05:00Pilgrim,
The verse says there is a sin NOT leadi...Pilgrim, <br /><br />The verse says there is a sin NOT leading to death: which sins don't lead to spiritual death? <br /><br />- Mack. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-70676110884559877612013-07-03T17:57:51.535-05:002013-07-03T17:57:51.535-05:00Here are the questions which I don't think hav...Here are the questions which I don't think have been addressed yet:<br /><br />1. You also didn't answer my question: Does it seem intuitive to you that someone whom God has smited to immediately go to Heaven? <br /><br />2. Are you asserting that sinning with my body has no internal consequence to my soul? <br /><br />3. Is it possible to do something "again" without having done it before? Is it possible to "turn your back" on something you've never embraced? Is it possible to "return" or "go back" to something you've never left?Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-12131275073708124482013-07-03T17:57:35.478-05:002013-07-03T17:57:35.478-05:00From this comment I'm going to assume that you...From this comment I'm going to assume that you do agree that 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:12 all refer to spiritual realities. Okay, so if the verses immediately preceding 1 John 5:16 refer to spiritual realities, why would we assume that he would suddenly start talking about physical life and death?<br /><br />But what about the verse itself? As I asked in the article, what is the "life" which God grants as result of the intercession? We know it can't be physical life because the person hasn't died and they're not going to die because their sin wasn't too serious. So, it has to be spiritual life. <strong>If he speaks of spiritual life in verse 16, why would we assume that the death of which he speaks is physical?</strong><br /><br /><br /><em>> And anyone wishing to assert that 1 John 5:16 KJV pertains to spiritual life/death will have to explain the sins that lead to spiritual life, which ones are they? ...</em><br /><br />Sins don't lead to spiritual life. I'm afraid I don't really follow the rest of what you say here.Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-67162973431465694962013-07-03T17:45:09.837-05:002013-07-03T17:45:09.837-05:00>Pilgrim asked, "Who is more likely to be ...<em>>Pilgrim asked, "Who is more likely to be wrong? You or 1,500 years of Christians?" as if the Bible can't just speak for itself at the present time to each of us directly. My opinions are less than worthless, but if I'm quoting the Bible then there no authority on earth any higher and you have to heed it. </em><br /><br />You say this as though the Bible never needs to be interpreted. I'm just asking what the likelihood is that you've uncovered a mistake made by the vast majority of Christians in history.Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-20619939286953500932013-07-03T06:37:17.706-05:002013-07-03T06:37:17.706-05:00#4 Tying up loose ends:
Pilgrim goes on to asser...#4 Tying up loose ends:<br /><br /> Pilgrim goes on to assert that John only uses life/death as exclusively spiritual, which is incorrect. 1 John 3:16 KJV says we are to lay down our lives for one another, which doesn't mean we are to sacrifice our salvation. And Christ isn't just the author of spiritual life, but of all life, including physical now, and immortal to come. <br /><br />And anyone wishing to assert that 1 John 5:16 KJV pertains to spiritual life/death will have to explain the sins that lead to spiritual life, which ones are they? The Bible says sin is death - Romans 6:23 KJV; and James says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 KJV. <br /><br />So the only way to make this "spiritual death" interpretation work is by noting that there is only one sin that causes spiritual death, which is the failure to believe on Christ: "Of sin, because they believe not on me;" John 16:9 KJV. That is the only sin because if you trust Christ all other sins are forgiven. And thus 1 John 5:16 KJV would mean that you can intercede for anybody's sins except you can't intercede for them to be forgiven if they have rejected Christ - that sin being the one unforgivable sin that leads to death. <br /><br />Of course, this shows that either way, OSAS remains the only way to understand the passage. <br /><br />Is there anything left I failed to address? <br /><br />- MackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-1184192774942713732013-07-03T06:36:53.605-05:002013-07-03T06:36:53.605-05:00#3 Tying up loose ends:
De Maria also misused Mar...#3 Tying up loose ends:<br /><br />De Maria also misused Mark 16:16 KJV ("He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.") which says belief leads to salvation, but does NOT say that lack of baptism leads to damnation. If I say, "you must get in the train and sit down to get to New York, but if you don't get in the train you won't get there" then the necessity is getting into the train, rather than sitting down, and if you stand the whole way you will still make it regardless. <br /><br />And DeMaria asked for a verse that says Christians are kept from falling - here's one: "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 1:24 KJV.<br /><br />DeMaria also quotes Matthew 7:21-23 KJV to allege some Christians go to hell, but nobody in Matthew 7 is a Christian since Christ says to them "I never knew you" which would be a lie (cf. Gal. 4:9 KJV).<br /><br />One differing "plan of salvation" is described in Ezekiel 18 and 33, which relies 100% on works and faith together, and says absolutely nothing about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. We are not presently under that scheme, we must believe the gospel Paul preached (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV; Galatians 1:8-9 KJV). Yet, later, after the church age has ended, a new "everlasting gospel" shows up during the tribulation: "...I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth... Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:6-7 KJV. Nothing is said in that gospel about receiving the new birth by trusting Christ alone by faith alone since the church age has at that point ended and these people are in a different category. <br /><br />Demaria alleges that Hebrews 4:2 KJV means that the "gospel" preached to the Jews leaving Egypt had the same content as the gospel preached to Christians - as if the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ - which even the twelve disciples didn't understand until after it happened (John 20:9 KJV) - was known in 1500 BC! Patently absurd! Gospel is a generic term that means God's message, and men in every time period have obligations to follow God's message directed to them. The Bible as a whole summarizes all of it, and the messages fit together, but that doesn't mean the messages are all identical. <br /><br />Pilgrim then keeps making the mistake of thinking "kingdom" means salvation, and that losing inheritance equates to going to hell. If you lose rewards it does not mean you go to hell, as I already quoted "Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive THE REWARD OF THE INHERITANCE: for ye serve the Lord Christ." Col. 3:24. So bad Christians lose rewards as a penalty for their life of sin, they do not lose their souls in hell. <br /><br />Marycatelli and Pilgrim both keep ignoring the fact that Peter is talking about pigs and dogs, not sheep; and that just because people get cleaned up on the surface, doesn't mean they got born-again on the inside. This is VERY troubling because if you don't understand this then you are lost yourselves - you have an entirely wrong concept of salvation. You think it is just reform of life, leaving a polluted area and cleaning up your style of living, instead of a supernatural new life in the inside, an incorruptible new man born-again by the work of the Holy Ghost through faith in the gospel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-2227382572905063262013-07-03T06:34:11.400-05:002013-07-03T06:34:11.400-05:00#4 Tying up loose ends:
Pilgrim goes on to asser...#4 Tying up loose ends:<br /><br /> Pilgrim goes on to assert that John only uses life/death as exclusively spiritual, which is incorrect. 1 John 3:16 KJV says we are to lay down our lives for one another, which doesn't mean we are to sacrifice our salvation. And Christ isn't just the author of spiritual life, but of all life, including physical now, and immortal to come. <br /><br />And anyone wishing to assert that 1 John 5:16 KJV pertains to spiritual life/death will have to explain the sins that lead to spiritual life, which ones are they? The Bible says sin is death - Romans 6:23 KJV; and James says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 KJV. <br /><br />So the only way to make this "spiritual death" interpretation work is by noting that there is only one sin that causes spiritual death, which is the failure to believe on Christ: "Of sin, because they believe not on me;" John 16:9 KJV. That is the only sin because if you trust Christ all other sins are forgiven. And thus 1 John 5:16 KJV would mean that you can intercede for anybody's sins except you can't intercede for them to be forgiven if they have rejected Christ - that sin being the one unforgivable sin that leads to death. <br /><br />Of course, this shows that either way, OSAS remains the only way to understand the passage. <br /><br />Is there anything left I failed to address? <br /><br />- MackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4999044146888823867.post-2093517881852643062013-07-03T06:33:41.904-05:002013-07-03T06:33:41.904-05:00#3 Tying up loose ends:
De Maria also misused Mar...#3 Tying up loose ends:<br /><br />De Maria also misused Mark 16:16 KJV ("He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.") which says belief leads to salvation, but does NOT say that lack of baptism leads to damnation. If I say, "you must get in the train and sit down to get to New York, but if you don't get in the train you won't get there" then the necessity is getting into the train, rather than sitting down, and if you stand the whole way you will still make it regardless. <br /><br />And DeMaria asked for a verse that says Christians are kept from falling - here's one: "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 1:24 KJV.<br /><br />DeMaria also quotes Matthew 7:21-23 KJV to allege some Christians go to hell, but nobody in Matthew 7 is a Christian since Christ says to them "I never knew you" which would be a lie (cf. Gal. 4:9 KJV).<br /><br />One differing "plan of salvation" is described in Ezekiel 18 and 33, which relies 100% on works and faith together, and says absolutely nothing about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. We are not presently under that scheme, we must believe the gospel Paul preached (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV; Galatians 1:8-9 KJV). Yet, later, after the church age has ended, a new "everlasting gospel" shows up during the tribulation: "...I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth... Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:6-7 KJV. Nothing is said in that gospel about receiving the new birth by trusting Christ alone by faith alone since the church age has at that point ended and these people are in a different category. <br /><br />Demaria alleges that Hebrews 4:2 KJV means that the "gospel" preached to the Jews leaving Egypt had the same content as the gospel preached to Christians - as if the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ - which even the twelve disciples didn't understand until after it happened (John 20:9 KJV) - was known in 1500 BC! Patently absurd! Gospel is a generic term that means God's message, and men in every time period have obligations to follow God's message directed to them. The Bible as a whole summarizes all of it, and the messages fit together, but that doesn't mean the messages are all identical. <br /><br />Pilgrim then keeps making the mistake of thinking "kingdom" means salvation, and that losing inheritance equates to going to hell. If you lose rewards it does not mean you go to hell, as I already quoted "Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive THE REWARD OF THE INHERITANCE: for ye serve the Lord Christ." Col. 3:24. So bad Christians lose rewards as a penalty for their life of sin, they do not lose their souls in hell. <br /><br />Marycatelli and Pilgrim both keep ignoring the fact that Peter is talking about pigs and dogs, not sheep; and that just because people get cleaned up on the surface, doesn't mean they got born-again on the inside. This is VERY troubling because if you don't understand this then you are lost yourselves - you have an entirely wrong concept of salvation. You think it is just reform of life, leaving a polluted area and cleaning up your style of living, instead of a supernatural new life in the inside, an incorruptible new man born-again by the work of the Holy Ghost through faith in the gospel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com